OK, rang MPD again!! To say wtf is going on it's theend of nov your website still says end of Nov, NFS are giving them out today to people who pre-ordered as late as 21st Nov. Luckily I got a nice friendly chap so was friendly back and kind joined him on the "of it's all nokia's fault" bandwagon to try and get some info out of him. He said they were expecting delivery today, but it hasn't arrived, I said have Nokia given a reason why it's randomly not turned up, he said "No unfortunately not". He said the MPD do "work alongside" the NFS, but there shouldn't have been pre-orders going out, he was a little confused by that. He believe some stores (presumably MPD Nokia Retail stores) may have received stock today. Basically, so far all the usual crap. The interesting bit though was that he said the initial batch of N900's should cover pre-order from September to October. Not sure if he meant the end of oct or not, sorry I forgot to ask because mine was preordered in Sept.