The developer's discount thread is a good example of even "wise, long-standing, knowledgeable" members going a bit off-kilter as the weeks go by and there's no news of their N900s... Please, Nokia, get those phones out the door! I want to go back to the days when you could tell a troll thread by the use of "goodbye," "garbage," "useless," ("sucks", "blows", etc) and/or "iPhone" in the title.