What user did you log in as (user or root?) did you do anything besides typing 'stopmaemo' (i.e. sudo)? (snip) I normally run stopmaemo as user 'user' with no arguments. The screen goes white then black, then I see KDE starting up. In another ssh session I can see that matchbox is still running. It never quits and so once KDE starts up to the point where I get the blue desktop/icons I get the message about kicker crashing. Matchbox is still running and if I run '/etc/af-services stop' as root I can manually start kwin and kicker and things will work. Running stopmaemo via the KDE icon from the Extras menu does exactly the same thing. I've finally come up with a sort of solution-- I added the line below to stopmaemo after the matchbox.sh stop: sudo /etc/init.d/af-services stop Yes, that's exactly what's happening. I can wait forever but matchbox never dies. Larry