I would really love to see a community develop around KDE or another WM and integration with Hildon/Maemo apps. KDE is so much more mature and polished than Maemo and it seems a shame to ignore that. I don't think the different projects can survive without each other (on the n800/770) and the ability to share applications. I fired up konqueror while the Hildon desktop was running and although it took a while it did come up and was usable. I'd really like to see the same for Maemo apps in KDE (automatic inclusion of Maemo apps in the menus), but one step at a time I suppose. I definitely sympathize with you penguinbait! --I have five kids and another on the way. Larry