Hm, so Nokia don't want either java applets or full client-side Java on the N800? That's _extremely_ unfortunate. Personally I don't mind so much the java applications, but java applets (as in java applet support in the browser) is _critical_ because it's not like you can just replace the applet with something else: My bank uses a little java applet to pass through the security stuff, after that it's just https as usual. But without the java applet support I can't access my bank on the go, which is what the N800 is for: Networking on the go. And there's nothing I can do about it. If I call the bank and ask them to rewrite their netbank to use ajax or something I would be as a minimum laughed at, or called an idiot.