Those guys have been quiet on the update front, on Canola and Carman. I'm not hooked into any of the chat rooms or anything, so for all I know there could be ongoing discussion on both of them (Canola and Carman) all the time, but I was sorta under the impression that they had moved on. Speaking of Carman, the whole "need to be root to set the symbolic link to the new version of the library" was not fun for me. Just sayin.