First of all I apologize for not browsing through the whole thread, so I might be repeat some of your posts.

First of all most of the software patents suck. Innovation and most of all amount of investment behind those are minimal compared to e.g. research and development of 3G technology. If you invest millions to something like that, you have every right to be paid from your work. Don't get me wrong, I'm not just blaming Apple here, since every big telecom company has these ******** patents also. Good example is patenting your touch screen buttons getting bigger when pressed.

My understanding is that Apple has been willing to pay the same royalties to Nokia as others. The problem has been that they are not willing to play with the same rules regarding their patents, i.e. making them available to the rest of telecom field with standardized pricing.

IMO it's quite clear that Apple is on the payer side here, that's the role of a newcomer.