i meant he n900 not the 5800 and yes with the 5800 your point is more valid. BUT you are seperating function and usabilty- in practise there is no seperation thats the fundimental problem and why your argument fails- its about UI. you also fail to undserstand the market- 90% of people want something that works and works well staright out the box, they dont care if you call them a dumb user or not. the n95 had every function under the sun- problem is none worked effectively.