Look whether u all like it or not u r all going to CONTINUE to help me out... the only thing is I won't be doing the asking but I read every single post on here for the past 3 months (and a year before that) and I get the help I need... it's a bit slow for my liking but I do learn from you people... The timing works like this... a member does READ READ READ and then is stuck on something and posts about it and then *I* get lucky when someone responds to them in PRACTICAL TERMS (nothing beats a command line in X-Term). It does happen this way on here... but RARELY. Oh well, it's been like this all this time and regardless of how many apple carts I upset it will remain the same for me. Look at my posts compared to the amount of time I spend on here... just like 100 guest constantly cmpare to 10 users logged in... this place is about reading and lucking out when you can... all the newbies can see who runs the show here (OLD BOYS CLUB) and that is fine cuz you guys are the Lynix pros and all us newbies need u!! I am grateful to have u all teach me INDIRECTLY but judge u all ebcause of the lack of DIRECT support I get and soooooooo many other newbies get ignored too.