He said talkers and *doers*, not *coders*. Filing a bug, editing a wiki page, writing a Talk post getting plenty of thanks, a Brainstorm proposal geting plenty of votes, a blog post getting plenty of thumbs up... fall clearly in the category of *doing* even if you do it with words and not code. and this is why the karma system tries to praise that.

Actually I think it was me who started confronting the talkers/doers positions (that in reality are intermixed, of course) putting myself as an example: it could not be possible that I was heading the karma list when in the meantima John Costigan (at the time developer of the most popular Maemo app) was not to be seen in the charts).

I also believe the karma thing goes far beyond device programs. But the discussion here is not wether this system is appropriate or not for the Maemo community but whether it counts karma in the way the community wants.