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Originally Posted by DaveP1 View Post
BTW, America, as a whole, gets cars. However America prefers Japanese cars that work to European cars that don't. And I speak as one who has owned two Fiats (Fix It Again, Tony), two Alfas, currently drives a BMW, and is waiting with baited breath for Fiat to reenter the American market so I can get the (rumored to be coming to America) Fiat 500 Abarth or Alfa Brera.
Agreed--sorta. I, for one, prefer and love long-lasting and reliable cars. BUT--although one of them is Japanese, the other is European. One of mine is a Japanese 1993 Honda Del Sol, the other is a West German 1974 Volkswagen Beetle. That's 17 years old and 36 years old, respectively, for the math-challenged. They both run spectacularly. Mind you, I maintain them religiously and I took an interest in learning how to maintain them myself as much as I can... but they weren't expensive to keep and just won't die. I.. love.. that. In any case, that's just my anecdotal experience.

Originally Posted by RobertHall View Post
.....because americans have a real bad attitude problem...the "we art better than thou" attitude...<snip>
i know i will come under fire for this from the american communty here......i hope they dont "misunderestimate" the relevance of what im saying....
Not at ALL like the "we are better than thou" attitude from other nationalities and groups? Come on.. there MUST be some of that from the countries that Nokia seems to be doing better in. I hope you don't mis-underestimate the relevance of what I'm saying. hehe

Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
But-- you're actually making my point for me!

It's a chicken-and-egg scenario. Nokia tried to resolve the paradox, and failed. Carriers continue to resent them for that. And I'm not sure what you mean by "go out of my way to get your product"... unless you're saying you don't like ordering over the internet without touching something (and I agree if so).

If Nokia were smart I'd see N900s in Best Buy, Radio Shack, Fry's... but then, maybe they were pressured by the carriers. It's happened with other products here (amazingly enough, a bread company here once forced grocery stores to keep other brands out).

One could say that Nokia might improve their prospects by offering supreme service, BUT if you don't sell anything in the first place, you have nothing to service. And if you don't play the should-be-illegal carrier game, then you usually don't sell anything.

And around and around we go.

(note: this diatribe in no way absolves Nokia of its responsibility to improve its admittedly shitty CARE services)
Your conversations are always a deep breath of fresh air because they're so cogent and pertinent. Adding MORE anecdotal evidence is the fact that I purchased my first Nokia IT (N800) at a CompUSA store. If it hadn't been a walk-in purchase, I don't think I would have gotten one.