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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Ok, that approach got me to change my mind on further replies.

I already explained this in the thread once but I'll try again...

First, it's a mistake to try to glean too much from a talk forum anyway... especially in this context. Only people with problems report problems! And they tend to congregate in threads where problems are reported (usually started by a problem reporter). This creates the illusion that the majority has problems. But that's an error of perception, and it defies reason.

If I sold 100 devices, and 5 people complained, that means 95 didn't. Clear non-complaining majority. What's hard to get from that is the detail-- how many in that majority complained elsewhere? How many are easier to please? How many lucked into a good lot?

Trying to apply significance to forum complaints tends to be foolhardy. No serious QA guy or statistician will give a thread full of rants much weight. There need to be the proper controls, the proper contexts-- including production details, product usage, user expectations, etc. It's not as simple as "5 guys report a problem".

That said-- significance CAN be found in low numbers where catastrophic failure is involved... like the usb breakage I reported. And sure enough, more reports showed up quickly.

But for vague, non-fatal complaints like "slowness", etc, those are rarely indicative of a universal problem UNLESS there's a clear majority reporting it. Again, that was the case with internet video on previous devices-- and the complaints were qualified by the revelation that hardware shortcomings were involved.

I'm not dismissing your concerns at all. I've had issues with products and it's not fun. All I've been trying to do is add perspective here, and it's been unfairly misconstrued. As one of your council reps I love to help you guys, even the noisemakers-- but if you're gonna abuse that and give me unwarranted grief, where's my motivation?

Try assuming the best about people upfront instead of the worst. That's my preaching for today.



So is making unfair assertions about someone's intent.
Im not sure why we are getting to a statistical issue, my point that I have made an over and over is that the software just isnt good enough at present imo - which opinion concurs with the majority (going by reviews, blogs, this forum etc). It seems that you disagree and consider this overwhelming evidence 'noise'? Thats my point to you. I have no idea how you got to this idea that Im saying you should listen to the minority, when the mainstream are saying exactly what Im saying. If the device was catastrophically broken then yes the complaints would be overwhelming - but the N900 is broken in such a way, I have never said it is.

I just wanted to clarify my point as you seem to have got the wrong end of the stick regarding my argument.

But for vague, non-fatal complaints like "slowness", etc, those are rarely indicative of a universal problem UNLESS there's a clear majority reporting it. Again, that was the case with internet video on previous devices-- and the complaints were qualified by the revelation that hardware shortcomings were involved.

I'm not dismissing your concerns at all. I've had issues with products and it's not fun. All I've been trying to do is add perspective here, and it's been unfairly misconstrued. As one of your council reps I love to help you guys, even the noisemakers-- but if you're gonna abuse that and give me unwarranted grief, where's my motivation?
Now you are the one who has completely misconstrued my argument. As for "slowness" I haven't been the one saying, just 'its slow', you seem to have mistaken me for someone that is just plain saying the N900 is rubbish/a a troll - I have said countless times in this thread that I love my N900. I specifically havent gone through a list of what I think is wrong with the N900 because I didnt want to insight any arguments! My bone is frustration - frustration with the way Nokia releases their products, being a bit of Nokia fanboy I want them to improve, otherwise I see big issues in the future with Nokia. I simply cant see how you can/could have possibly argued with this. Its ridiculous that this even got this far.

That is all. And I never want to discuss this again, its rather boring .

PS Calling my argument disingenuous is rather insulting.
So is making unfair assertions about someone's intent.
You are hardly trying to calm things down by making this comment are you? I retracted my earlier statement and said I was wrong - what more do you want.

Regards

A disaffected Nokia fanboy

Last edited by chrisp7; 2010-01-22 at 12:27.