Hi, I just got around to retrying this. 1) Installed desktop-cmd-exec, and immediately I couldn't access the desktop menu where you add widgets/shortcuts. The little cog icon would appear, I'd click on it, the Desktop menu would appear but it would not be clickable. 2) Rebooted and all my icons on all 4 desktops apart from contacts and bookmarks disappeared. 3) Removed desktop-exec-cmd and rebooted and all was back to normal. 4) Then I remembered that I have personal-gprs-monitor installed so I wondered if this could be messing something up after re-reading your comment on how the widget code is the same. I removed it, rebooted, installed desktop-exec-cmd, but nothing changed. The issue described above was still there. I do have experimental stuff installed, but how do I start checking what bothers what? I could start removing everything and retrying all the time. Do you know of any way to easily get a list of apps I have installed from extras-testing and extras-devel? That way I can know what to uninstall. Btw if it matters at all I'm using apt-get for all of this, not the Application Manager UI