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Originally Posted by range View Post
How comes that RHEL is LSB compliant then, if it severly lacks LSB?
Originally Posted by ewan
I think the intended meaning may have been that LSB is severly lacking, and so are the RHEL-type distributions.
No.. he caught me with my pants down on that one. Unfortunately he then killed himself with his next comment.

Originally Posted by range
That might be because there only is *one* deb based system. And Ubuntu is quite a copy of that.
Oh of course there's only ONE!

You went from correct to utterly wrong faster than anyone I've ever seen.

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Different topic:
My example of /etc/network/interfaces was a bad one as well considering debian is the only one that uses it.

Unfortunately, I don't have a legitimate example off the top of my head. What I can say is in the 10 years I've used linux... moving from:
Slackware - .tgz
Arch - .pkg.tar.gz
Gentoo - .tar.gz
Debian - .deb

I always felt as if they were built the same.. had the same packages/software, and configuration was relatively similar. None of them left the impression something was wrong - and I was able to customize them heavily without problems.

Then using:
Red Hat 9 - .rpm
Fedora - .rpm
Mandrake/Mandriva - .rpm
SuSE - .rpm

Nothing felt the same.. nothing felt similar. Yes, it's "Linux", and yes you can stumble your way through everything using the most basic of Linux utilities trying to search for crap.. but everything was in completely different sections. I'd try to customize things and then all of the sudden the GUI's would go weird on me.

Really, I think the way it feels is that the RPM based systems seem more heavily based and focused on the *GUI* tools they build.. whereas all the others' GUI tools were more of a frontend to their CLI counterparts. The latter makes more sense to me in the Linux world, where the former is more of the windows way of doing things.

Take Yast and up2date.. I believe both have their own CLI versions as well, but focus on the GUI versions. Then you have Synaptic on Ubuntu for example.. You don't call "synaptic" from the command line.. that's the GUI.. it's a wrapper for Apt. But with yast and up2date they are their own thing.. you call them from CLI if you want to do it that way.. not RPM or Yum. URPMI for Mandrake.. not primarily GUI.. but not Yast or Yum or up2date either.

I believe in RHEL5 forward Yum is now the base.. and the GUI's are wrappers for YUM.. which addresses that one specifically - but the rest are still *shrug*.

Nearly every distro that uses .deb.. uses apt... not ever distro that uses rpm - uses yum. It's confusing.

There's no continuity between RPM-based systems.. it's ugly.

I'll admit one thing - I took my RHCE on RHEL5 having almost zero CENTOS5 or RHEL5 experience. I have used RHEL4, and were mostly active with Fedora back before version 5... and yet I managed to ace my RHCE on RHEL5 because it - finally - did just "feel" like Linux. (or it could just be that I'm getting more used to understanding I have to do find's for everything on RPM systems cuz who knows where they got put.)

I've setup some Mandriva's, and openSuse's over time they still feel like a foreign entity to me. Things are just... wrong. Guess I can't explain it.

That's the problem I have with moving from debian-based to Fedora-based. Once I start dealing with RPM-systems things are just.. wrong.. files are in the wrong place or have different formatting. After spending weeks with an RPM and then moving to any other Linux system (gentoo, arch, slack, debian) I feel as if I have to relearn things. But once I started using Ubuntu as my desktop and debian for my servers.. moving to the others still feel natural. They aren't *dramatically* different except their specific packages.

And finally.. to what someone said earlier: I don't like relying on "Network Manager" to do it for me.. Ubuntu even annoys me there. Log out of Ubuntu and you disconnect from the wireless.. so if I have something to do on the CLI with CTRL+ALT+F1.. I'm not online. I have to set it up manually anyway. That's annoying... I should *always* be connected unless I specifically turn it off.
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