cheers matey, much appricated, and if i wasnt prepared for the consequences i wouldnt of attempted lol, but i cant resist tinkering and around , well cleared my cache out and a few other things so space is back, atleast now i can get back into app manager and remove a few space hungry apps. with this new deb file, do i need to copy the sw.cfg from my sw on the pc or copy the 2 files and try to update? id manage since the directory path is just changed a update would run no problem.