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Jaffa, thank you, you helped validate several of my points while completely missing them.
Originally Posted by Jaffa View Post
That's a mechanism for communication, so did you believe the right things were communicated, just not in the most visible way
This was discussed ad nauseum at the time. In fact several suggestions from that time have been / are being worked on. I was on the side opposite you, and I offered a suggestion on how to improve communication, perhaps not the best idea, others offered ideas as well. I was merely refuting your statement that nobody from the opposing side offered suggestions.

Out of the 11 people who have been on the council, 9 either started in the forums or have been very active here over the entire course of their involvement. The implication that the "community members who were primarily involved in the forum" were somehow ignored, forgotten about or purposely sidelined is particularly grating.
As I suggested, the likely first stop for a new user is the forum. How many of those 9 are/were just as active on IRC/mailing lists before getting on the council? If 9 of 11 members started in the forum, why was it decided that the only offical place to nominate/accept was a mailing list?

Some of us have gone to great lengths, and great effort, to ensure that - in the last election in particular - everyone on the forum who was eligible to vote on their forum activity alone received explicit instructions on how to ensure they were eligible to vote, and why it was important.
Thank you to all those people involved in that effort. But why wasn't the same effort put forth for the first 2 elections?

303 people voted in the last election. The theory that there is a vast pool of enfranchised people on the fora, waiting for the opportunity to make their voice heard doesn't seem to be reality. Getting involvement or traction on any particular topic proves difficult, whether it's bug days; testing marathons; community outreach or input on what colour to paint the bikeshed - and this isn't just on talk.maemo.org.
Yes, it's hard to get people to do things. If you recall, I posted a thead on how to sign up to vote (it was even stickied for a while) because I thought it was a fairly difficult process to figure out. I had hoped for a better turnout.

I argue that real end-users don't regularly (or, in the vast majority of cases, ever) post to Internet forums. What we have here, and elsewhere on maemo.org, are enthusiasts and power-users.
I'd argue that's no the case so much anymore.

<sigh />

I said trying to count the exact number of people in the Maemo community was somewhat wasted effort. ...
Let's do a thought experiment. We have a consumer, Bob, who's just bought an N900 after some pretty adverts he saw all over the printed media in London. At what point does he become "part" of the Maemo community: ...
and that's what the definition of the community really is: if you think you're part of it, you are. And that's why it's difficult to count.
All those people are part of the community. Bob is part of the community of Maemo the moment he buys a N900. Whether or not they feel they are part of the community is a different issue. We need to be ready to make them feel like they belong if and when they choose to get more involved.

YoDude is trying to get a handle on a subset of the commuity. Those involved enough to have enough karma to vote if they wanted to. It's a hard task, difficult to quantify, but worthwhile to him anyway. If he's willing to attempt it, it shows me is committed to representing the whole community as best he can.
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