Thanks Kojacker and sorry to be late to thank you as i had a lot to read here, yes it was for sure a torrent of abuse and by very much a cliche that exsist on here in Nokia's cause. I have learned a lot of this thread and will for sure post some thoughfully written comments on this so called friendly forum elsewhere so basically the abusers have not really done much good for themselves. I am suprised of Texrat whom i honestly thought was a sincere guy as a moderator but he just joined in with the rest... ok all noted here and you are the only one in defence of what WAS a very simple question i thank you !.