"Agoura Hills Calif" Hey im heading to Mission Viejo in October, hoping to get an in ternal flight up to san fran (I have relations in mission viejo, im from the UK btw) Yeah I agree with your sentiments " if you can't afford to spend lots of money on lawyers, in many situations you don't have rights" sad but true I just wonder where all this madness will end...........WIMP was created by neither Microsoft nor Apple. PS flying into LAX 1st October, was going to drive to Las Vegas (Chrysler 300c), but im not sure about driving thu a desert for 2 days, and then 2 days back, some people recommended doing the coast route seeing Longbeach (Queen Mary) and howard Huges House (Would love to see that tbh being the nerd i am ) ie drive mission viejo up the coast to San Fran (golden Gate, alcaratraz, and doing the steve mcqueen in San Fran in my chrysler) whats you opinion , since you live there