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Originally Posted by qgil View Post
Reading you it looks as if Nokia would be an enemy of openness of sorts. Yet...

What commercial handsets can you find in a shop more open than the Maemo devices?

How many companies can you list contributing more open source code and features? (Maemo/MeeGo + Symbian + Qt)

What commercial mobile platforms can you list with a more open setting and approach than the platforms where Nokia is involved? (MeeGo, Symbian)

Nokia is not perfect in terms of free software development but at least is trying hard investing a huge load of resources and publishing a huge load of new code available for anybody. Show us concrete alternatives that are succeeding commercially with a more open approach and we will seriously consider them (if we are not doing it already).
So while this whole Maemo / MeeGo thing is going on, and the whole thread is titled "Whole new Linux ballgame" the real question is, how much of the stack is from Maemo and how much of it is from Moblin.

Packaging is one thing, but did Maemo get completely scrapped in favor of the RPM based moblin and MeeGo is building of of what is essentially a Fedora Netbook remix? (I know it really isn't Fedora based per se, but Fedora is the closest to it from what I know). Which begs the other question, why ISN'T it based on Fedora or some other distribution. This is re-inventing the wheel... yet again?

So now we have yet another distribution that uses RPMs that aren't going to be readily installable in other RPM distributions. This is kind of dumb, I mean at least take something as a base and make it semi-compatible. I've found in my experience that 9 times out of 10 you can take an Ubuntu package and install it in Debian without problem, and vice versa. I can't say the same for Mandriva to Fedora to openSuSE. Just a thought. I'm sure that has been brought up before.

The other thing about RPM vs Deb that sucks is that with the N900 now, I can go to packages.debian.org, download SOME programs from the armel distribution and they'll work fine, if a bit strangely under the hildon interface.

I don't know of any other distributions that even have an armel version.

I kind of wonder about the Qt thing. Did Nokia purchase Trolltech simply because... well they couldn't buy out the 'owners' of GTK+? Since there really isn't one controlling company over it, I figured that's why the big move to Qt over GTK+. I mean hildon (which is the mobile gnome project) was the interface for Maemo until PR1.2 (still curious how much is still gtk and how much is now qt?)

Anyhow, just some thoughts. I am looking forward to MeeGo, though I'll most likely just install the Community edition or whatever on my phone and dual-boot. Now that is what I call OPEN!

Granted, there have been some work on getting Android to boot on the iPhone. But the main difference is that Nokia doesn't really care (at least I've never seen anything to suggest they have said "Oh you bastards, don't do that to <i>our</i> device!" Apple certainly have. I mean they have tried to get the DMCA changed to be even more restrictive so that jailbreaking your phone is illegal. Good thing we don't even have to do that

In conclusion... Yay, I can finally buy Angry Birds! Though the Ovi store is still weird.... I can see the 1.99 under Recommended, but if I go under Games, it just has the normal Angry Birds. It'd also be nice if the Ovi store had an icon no matter what page you were on, that showed that you have already have the particular package installed...not sure if that's possible without it scanning your phone though. I know under the 'my stuff' menu it shows the programs you've downloaded before... but after a flash, it still shows them there.....

now I'm just rambling G'night everyone!

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