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Originally Posted by Liam1
I apologize to Iballs if he is perturbed at my posts. It's fairly obvious that he takes any negative comments on the n800 personally, so he feels compelled to also revert with personal remarks. However, I would venture to guess that in real life he is a jolly person to be with, despite his disturbing love for a piece of metal that surfs the internet.
Quite frankly, I give less than a damn about you.
But I want anyone that stumbles across this post either via a search here or from Google to be reminded that your narrow and uneducated viewpoint does NOT represent the N770/N800 community here and that you speak for no one but yourself and your limited view of the N800 and it's capabilities.

Originally Posted by Liam1 View Post
I probably do have high expectations than most, probably comes from my computer engineering majoring in parallel processing. And yes, the only reason I mention this is so that no one thinks I'm a total idiot
So you're a student then? That explains a lot.
I live and work in the real world, building real world clustered information systems for use in real world applications.
Thus my expectations are more focused on the real world.
And since the systems I build are designed for high-speed information flow so the right people get dead a lot faster (yeah, guess where I work) I know all about "speed". But even my employers don't expect same-as-desktop speeds on a handheld device. That's why the vast majority of systems I wind up designing and building are focused not only on desktop use but encrypted handheld use as well. And we don't force our handheld users to view the same pages on the servers in the network that our desktop users do. They're customized for a handheld experience while delivering the same information.

A great example of this is the "Mail For Exchange 2.0" program for Symbian S60 3rd Edition. People with S60 3rd Edition phones wanted better PIM synchronization with Exchange server backends. Did that mean "porting" over something that looked/operated like Outlook?
No. That meant figuring out a way to integrate such capability in the existing mail application on those devices while also adding GAL lookup and synchronizing calendar and contact information within Exhange with their built-in counterparts on the device. All the basic things Exchange users could do on their desktops.
The resulting application is actually pretty damn good and turns any S60 3rd Edition device into a Push-Email device comparable to the Blackberry.
Now, had the original programmers been using your mindset, they would have first whinged about how "slow" the handheld device was and then went about re-inventing the wheel with a native - or even worse, Java - application that would be slow and horrible to use with frequent crashing.
And then they would have repeated the cycle by whinging how slow the application and device were, etc, etc.
In other words, sometimes what works on a laptop or desktop will flat-out NOT work on a portable handheld device.

Originally Posted by Liam1
But the masses ('reality' as Iballs calls them) I do think has the same 'speed' expectation that I possess, and probably prevails more in the younger generation. Older generations probably have more patience in waiting for a page to load up and do something else while they wait.
If that were true then why not rant on about the iPhone or any other handheld device that delivers a much slower browsing experience than the N800?
I mean, obviously the "masses" have spoken with massive smartphone sales in the past year and the iPhone having such a great debut. Hell, even the N95 is said to have sold over 400,000 in North America so far and even it's much-vaunted Safari Webkit browser is SLOWER than the N800 Opera (and now Micro-b) browser.
This must be the first handheld device you've ever used then, making your narrow "view" even that more limited.

Again, if you want "laptop-like" speeds on a handheld device then go design and build a better one. Then I'm sure you'll properly educate yourself on how hard it is to actually balance power, functionality, performance, battery-life, heat issues, part sourcing, manufacturing costs, and consumer pricing all the while meeting those "laptop-like" speed goals.

Originally Posted by Liam1
However, I do agree with sachin007 that for the n800 price, it is a good deal. And having free new apps and updates every so often, is also a huge bonus.
Exactly. At this EXACT price point you cannot find another handheld device that does as much at the same or faster speeds.
The overall application update process though leaves much to be desired. I find the Application Manager GUI to be quite horrible and limited in functionality and packages that it refuses to install will install just fine from the command line leaving one to believe that it "breaks" from the normal dpkg methods which it uses itself.

Originally Posted by Liam1
Oh and thanks for pointing out my spelling..must have been a typo when I spelled "develepors" versus the correct spelling of "developers". It must be hard having to point out people's deficiencies and not being to be able to accept comments pertaining to something that you own.
No, it's when people like you use chav-terminology like "coz" that I feel - in my own opinion, I speak for no one but myself here - tends to aggravate a lot of the more educated users in these forums. It also just make you seem like a child, making your points even less valid.

Just because it's the internet doesn't mean you have to destroy the English language in an effort to speed up a reply or sound "cool" and "with it".
In other words, this isn't a cell phone SMS text message forum, so feel free to use more than 160 characters and take all the time you need to reply to this.
Much like your disappointing N800 web browsing experience, we'll happily wait.