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Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post
We already had this discussion. Main points: Nokia applications are closed source[...]
Just because Nokia has made a (shitty) decision doesn't make it a right one.
Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post
[...]so we can bring a proper MeeGo on to the devices.
Couldn't give two shits about MeeGo. Even if the N900 gets MeeGo (in whatever form), it'll still be an OS laden with closed source components, thanks to Nokia.

Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post
I'd like to remind everyone of the licensing change requests queue: http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_developme...hange_requests
Please... that's a joke. All the discussions re. requests are stagnant.
Hell, the one request I made to change the licensing of a component with its source already available in an open source program (I know; I was surprised too) has produced nothing.

Do I even need to mention the amount of WONTFIXES here?

Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post
As a personal question to people here: Did you know that the e-mail client of Maemo5 is called Modest and is open source? Have you submitted any patches or contributed to it? That the RSS reader is open source? That Marbles, Chess and Mahjong games are open source? That the PDF reader is? That the X-terminal is? That the Hildon Desktop is?
Have some personalised replies, then.
  • Modest: Don't use it for its main ability. Tho I must admit that it does make a brilliant email notifier.
  • RSS Reader: Don't use it. I think mant prefer FeedingIt over the stock reader.
  • Games: Don't play 'em.
  • PDF Reader: Its XPDF engine is outdated as ****, and I don't ever recall seeing the patches that were uploaded for Diablo's version ever making it in Fremantle. One incentive lost. (jott's rotation support is a brilliant example of this. Silence for God knows how many months and then a FIXEDINFREMANTLE message)
  • X-Terminal: Yes, I have hacked on it in the past. The X Terminal team did listen to some requests, however, so I can't criticise there.
  • Hildon Desktop: Ah yes, a package which depends on closed source components. But to answer the question: No, not me. But Matan has and I don't believe I've seen his patches in PR 1.2, despite asking on -developers how he could do so.

Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post
There's nothing more sad than spending several manhours on open sourcing an application and hearing the sound of crickets when it does arrive. Noone contributing to improve it.
Right, how do we know it takes that long? I mean, Nokia aren't exactly masters of communication (yes, the irony is not beyond me) - the licensing queue shows that.
And Nokia always seem to go the closed source route first. Take fmtx-middleware. A new component, introduced in Fremantle. You'd have hoped that Mer - which Nokia was obviously aware of - would've enlighted them somewhat. Why was it produced being closed source in the first place? It's bloody ironic due to Nokia contributing an open source driver for the transmitter to the kernel.

The community have modified some open source components; I named a couple above. There's more, however, like mafw-gst-subtitles-renderer, based on mafw-gst-renderer.

Oh, mafw-gst-subtitles-renderer was born out of a Brainstorm. Half of those requests can't be fulfilled as they have to be done in one of Nokia's closed components. I'm sure someone would be happy to do it if Nokia didn't close source many of their stuff. I mean, Nokia don't give a **** about what's in Brainstorm - how many requests from Brainstorm have been fixed by a Nokia employee?

Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post
How about we make targetted requests and show who's ready to contribute if something was open sourced instead?
The Queue shows why that doesn't work.

Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post
And also, most of you are going to stop caring about Maemo5 when real MeeGo comes around, even on another device. History clearly shows that.
Nope. I'm after Diablo's components. Things like BME I'll never have a ****'s chance of understanding - that's a given - but other things that Nokia keep closed (to add insult, the headers aren't even available in nokia-binaries), like libconnui, sure.

Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post
Make reference / open source applications that are -better- than what Nokia can come up with. I bet you can.
Easier said than done. Easier said than done.

Anyway, amongst all this arguing, Nokia aren't gonna be changing their ways. I doubt I'll be going down anytime soon.

Last edited by qwerty12; 2010-06-07 at 19:05.
 

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