What's it going to take to move past this axle-wrapping?

Agreeing to disagree would be a good start...

Let's get something clear, please. Various viewpoints ARE welcome and indeed as you say necessary for a truly healthy situation of any kind.

But what isn't needed is the sort of juvenile crap-hurling that some offer as devil's advocacy. Constructive criticism is great. Many of us would love to see much, much more of it-- in place of pointless posts that try to pass pithy little comments like "I hate Nokia" off as counterpoint.

So a little more intellectual honesty in the opposition and we'd ALL be happier.

Oh, and back on topic please.