Dont see how I muddled anything here. Nokia phones are priced to sell and represent good value; thats my point. Moto has been in the game longer than Nokia and were once No 1 so time in market has little to do with it. Nokia has the brand, dist power etc but you are missing the point, value is key. Apple and RIM are way overpriced for what they offer. Also I am not sure they have 'beaten' Nokia sales numbers - with 400 million phones sold, 40 percent smartphone market ?
What exactly is your point here ?.