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Originally Posted by MoJo View Post
Nokia needs to fire the top brass simple, that is the only solution. All this R&D money spent positioning themselves for future market play was a waste, Nokia's leadership has only positioned themselves for failure.
Not over yet. If it were, we wouldn't have this conversation. There's still time to bank left. Will they? Unlikely. We'll be here, waving arms an pointing at the iceberg.

Originally Posted by MoJo View Post
[...]nor do they care if Maemo is obsolete leaving N900 to be the quickest to EOL product.
That may as well go down as one the worst moves in Nokia's modern history.

You see, most people that jumped to tablets were already Nokia clients. When moved to tablet, they were MOVED from the overall buyer base.

Losing them won't make them jump back to N8, but to a competition tablet. I will. I'm not buying a dumbphone, I don't care if it films in 4K.

Plowing tablet division in the ground will not be free.

I don't think they will intentionally do that. Nobody's that disconnected. It is entirely possible for the buyer base to become slimmed through this "upgrade" they do.

Will they come back? Who knows?

Will it have an impact knowing that tablets and internet phones are now jumping sales like mexican beans? Oh yeah.

When business waves happen, you either go with it, or you don't; It's a LOT easier to keep a market share if you're fighting for a percentage of a growing market. If you stagnate, the others will grow past and your share will decrease as a percentage.

Originally Posted by MoJo View Post
As consumers we can only speak with our wallets
My wallet and I I no longer on speaking terms following THIS purchase. (I kid, I kid)

Originally Posted by MoJo View Post
dilutes the strategy.
I never could understand this either. Nokia used to be German in order and thinking. 1 for low end and car kits, 2 for low, 3 for better, 5 for medium, 6 for slim, reliable business, 7 for the tech, 8 for style over features, 9 for feature over form. You used to look at a design and guess "61...what?"

Then we had the more ambiguous N and E. N was tech-oriented, E was business oriented, which is bad enough, because E has -e.g.- office, software. So basically the old N who had better hardware lacked in applications.

Then N80 (and higher end N) had office. Which is the point I stopped caring. I think they're down to coin toss now. "And then there was X".

Originally Posted by Benson View Post
OK, I think I followed your metaphor, up to this point. What in the world does this "official sign" represent?
Sorry, that "official sign" was supposed to be a link. The link was to a post that was the original announcement (or wave thereof) in which it was announced that MeeGo will not be supported over N900.

Originally Posted by Benson View Post
because there's no official MeeGo-on-N900 release, there won't be an end-user ready one at all. If so, I think you badly misread Jim's official sign.
Ok, I'll be more correct and say "You can come, but no juice and we won't talk to you".

Originally Posted by Benson View Post
Now, we're told that there'll be no official Maemo6/Harmattan/MeeGo/whatever release for the N900, but it's being adapted to the N900 because (for now) the N900 is the standard ARM dev platform, and Nokia's dropping hints, though not promising, that you should be running a bright shiny community build on your N900 in six months to a year. And there's reason, I grant, to suppose that, as this is equally non-official, it'll be equally dead when the next device arrives.
Yes. No official support means no bugs, no direct fixes. Look at the rate of support for officially supported releases.

You can run, but with no rights. Come, but no juice and we will pretend you are not really here.

I can adjust this indefinitely, but it's a metaphor and as a result, not identical to the situation. The fact remains that "dropping hints" of an unsupported install is DEFINITELY worse than what we had with M5.

And M5 was SO finely supported. Hey, maybe we can just get the platform and rebuild phone and patc... wait, those are still closed.

Either it's official and updates ripple through to us and we move forward software-wise, or they just build one to shut us up, at which point no updates (or some) for M5 and no updates for M6.

I wouldn't mind no updates. My DSLR has no updates, even though it's flashable. But you know what, I've hit the shutter over ten thousand times. NOT ONCE has it misfired, delayed, mistook, failed to write, thought about it. never have I set the aperture to 4.5 and have it be 3.5. never has it taken an image at ISO 3200 by mistake.

I could go on, but I'll summarize. Zaroo bugs, knowing it is a complex piece of machinery that constantly adjusts for wear, dust, a lens that was made by third party.

You won't see me at Sony forums crying for an update. There's a 1.01 or something that updates file format to ARW 2.0 and increases speed of who-cares-what. I couldn't be bothered, BECAUSE IT'S NOT BROKEN.

Fremantle is.

Originally Posted by Benson View Post
The N8x0->N900 transition was a huge hardware jump, from an OMAP2 platform to OMAP3.
I'm sorry, I don't follow. I have no experience with Linux. Back over here, we have this thing called a HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer), where the OS works with the HAL and it mounts drivers underneath it, making hardware transparent for the OS.

Using this, one can run the OS over the same architecture simply by swapping drivers and adding a few mods to the UI to incorporate the differences in drivers. It's what allows me to swap my video card without installing a new OS.

I wish Linux had that.

(I am just being difficult, there is no need to enlighten me)

As for the back-release of drivers and open source, what can I say, I wish I was optimistic as you. Could happen.
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N900 dead and Nokia no longer replaces them. Thanks for all the fish.

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