gerbick I don't mean to be rude but this was a rather fruitless conversation (no pun intended again). it's not that I don't care you don't buy a phone before seeing it it's just that I don't see the relevance to the comment made about engadget. I already said I don't know whether you are interested in buying from expansys or not but you asked for a place you can buy it now to show that it's easy to get your hands on it and so that it's even easier for engadget. therefore we can get rid of the time/space excuse for engadgets subjectivity towards the iphone. The fact that it's not a bricks and mortar store may be important to you and that is perfectly understandable but my entire point was about engadgets comment to which you said something akin to "here and now only" since then I have been trying to prove that the samsung galaxy s IS here and now and its specs are fully known.

I don't think we disagree with anything here.