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Originally Posted by geneven View Post
The funny thing is, I thought that believers in free speech were secretly in favor of it even in private forums, too.
Most are, I know I am. But when that speech halts or severely impedes the base function of the location you're doing it in, it's not protected, even in the most liberal of countries, even in public/common space. The examples of shouting "fire" in a crowded theater, or yelling non-stop in a town hall meeting while others are trying to conduct town business come to mind. Neither are protected, since both cause the function of the forum to stop and/or could cause extreme harm.

The difference with the "letter to the editor" example you site is this: If you and 40 other people write such letters, the editor will probably print one or two such letters, and/or write an editorial summarizing what was said. There's a level of filtering that happens so that the entire paper isn't consumed for days on end with letters to the editor on the same subject. In this forum each person expects to "have the right" to write their own letter and see it printed, despite the fact that there are 50 others just like it, and cry "free speech" if their opinion isn't presentable.

Further, I challenge you to write a letter to the editor of a paper opposing a key stance they have and see if they print it at all. Or write one with the level of illiteracy and/or vulgarity seen here on a daily basis. Write a liberal-leaning letter to a conservative print magazine and see if they print your article. Would you expect Popular Science to print your manifesto on how tech publications are corrupting the minds of our youth? Would you expect Mercedes Monthly to print a critiquing article on the latest BMW line? Why then do you expect a forum for people developing and sharing information about their Nokia devices to be mandated to print/post/keep your opinion piece on how the device you bought doesn't fit with your expectations, or with your personal daily use? Especially when it's made clear (most often) that no research was done before writing the article, or before purchasing the device in question.

The issue isn't that we don't want people to speak about their device. The issue is that the negative Nokia-bashing group here has become so repetitive and so toxic that it's preventing others for using this forum for it's intended purpose: To bring together a community to support one another and enhance the enjoyment of the devices we commonly own. A constant mantra of hate against the devices, the manufacturer, and the perceived limitations or faults of either does nothing to promote an atmosphere where that can exist or thrive.

So to try to clean this up, the moderators are inventing a way to filter that content in some way, or to curb that behavior, so the normal flow of ideas can occur without this toxic stream infecting the pool as a whole. If you can't see that, and think it's just a bunch of jack-booted thugs trying to "repress your speech", you need to step back and re-evaluate things.

What do you think this forum exists for, if not to form a positive community around the devices we commonly own? How does a constant flow of hateful and negative opinions or "speech" help that? What other options are there to curb that flow of negativity, given posts from people (above and those in other thread areas) who have stated quite clearly they're here because they feel they were "raped" or injured by someone, and therefore have a right to take that out on a community of people that had nothing to do with it, and have no power to change the past, or prevent it from happening to others in the future?

Last edited by woody14619; 2010-06-24 at 20:45. Reason: typos
 

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