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Originally Posted by Northerner View Post
One thing's for sure, this is turning out to be a real PR disaster for Nokia. The sheer arrogance of the "official" reply quoted in this thread just makes things worse. Are they that stupid that they cannot see their insistence on continuing this practice just makes anyone who has already abandoned their products more resolute than ever never to touch Nokia again? And to actively spread the word to discourage others from making the same mistake?
This accurately describes me right now. I was responsible for a lot of people around me buying N800's and I am now responsible for them moving off of them and onto Android devices lately because I can't, in good conscience, recommend a Nokia N900 as either a good phone nor even as a good portable computing platform (certainly not as a phone, God no!). We've spoken with our dollars. Nokia continues not to listen. Fine by me, I guess. I'm just disappointed at the wasted opportunity that Nokia had to create something far better than anyone else. Instead, people within Nokia with the positions to make decisions have instead chosen to piss all over the customers and their brand, and communicate in what I've already called a passive-aggressive manner. Canned phrases like "we value your opinion" are insulting when the meaning of these phrases is clearly not in evidence.

Originally Posted by SD69 View Post
This idea of dissuading the corporate machine will not work.
This is why we choose to take our business elsewhere these days.

Originally Posted by jeffsf View Post
Quite possibly a violation of Cal. Bus. & Prof. Code § 17529 unless Nokia can convince the courts that they have an ongoing business relationship with the user. The fact that there is a cost to opt-out would certainly not sit well with any jury. Courts have already found that text messaging qualifies under either or both email or telephone delivery.
IANAL - but I wonder if this might also fall under the wire fraud laws regarding using resources that people have to pay for in a way that customers are neither aware of or have no control over. i.e. calling FAX machines on business lines to spam ads--illegal because business lines usually incur an uncontrollable cost to the recipient of said ads. Another is telemarketing calls to mobile phones since there are many people who must pay for such unwelcomed calls, incurring an uncontrolled cost.

Originally Posted by j.s View Post
For me, the solution would be something like Mer, with working drivers for all hardware before the end of 2010. I do not know if this would require nothing from Nokia or far more than they are willing to consider.

By Mer, I mean basically open source OS with the interface to any binary blobs that can't be avoided documented.

I did not attach conditions on how to use my money and I do not spy on them. I expect to be able to use my device as I see fit and not be spied on or pay for "services" I do not need and do not want.
Agreed! First--what makes them think that anything we, or any of the community of coders that wrote all of the software that they're using to base their operating system on, would appreciate the surreptitious behavior of dipping into our computers to gather information about us? And not even have the courtesy to even tell us, too! Think about all the GNU software they're using and think about the intent of the rights they're being given. This is appalling, irresponsible and flatly unacceptable.
 

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