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Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
well... don't know how much you really know about stock markets in reality but mass movements create a lot of arbitrage to those who have guts to swim crosscurrent. now there is a great panic about nokia. reasonable people and somewhat reasonable bots stir the soup and there is no sense to be seen atm.

your reply applies to idealistic investors but in certain situations, masses flow stupidly. and with apple masses are speculating. no dividend means people are waiting for bigger share price. with companies that pay constant dividends, price solely means nothing. and if dividends stay at certain level, real time pricing of stock has no effect to anything.
No. I meant exactly what I said. It has absolutely nothing to do with Apple. I've been an investor since the mid-80's and if you're trying to pull in how investors follow trends, let's put that to a rest right now.

The trend is to make money. The other situations, such as historical reasons to invest into a company ideal for altruistic reasons... that's being idealistic. And as of late, foolish.

Speculation is just that... speculation. You speculate like you do a hot area that might or might not have gold. And in this case, to see Nokia go from ~40 per share to ~8 per share, the disappointment is well-deserved. And I'm quite sure the dividends have not remained at the same level. To believe otherwise shows an entire lack of understanding in investing.

Here's your proof. It's currently on par with what was paid out in 2006 - around 48 cents per stock, down from 84 cents per stock in 2008.

This is yet another deflated stock that would probably be worthwhile purchasing - I just bought some - if your goals are indeed long-term and the management shakes out to forge a direction that's accepted by all shareholders as the right step forward.

Right now, that's not the case.
 

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