I never said you had to agree, but you also dismiss my opinions as invalid enough to tell me to go away. The discussion isn't yours alone to tell me to go away. If I take offense, it's because of your posturing. Argue away, otherwise. I'm not above being deprecated (even self-deprecating) except when you pretend you aren't and when you tell me I should begone altogether. :P That's not being on my side, despite any agreement on the topics.

Anyway, this isn't a Nokia forum--but it WAS the ITT and it IS the Maemo forum. Prey tell, what devices DO we run Maemo on? What do YOU run it on?

I disagree about the topic of constructive criticism. Despite the fact that there ARE Nokia folks who DO go through here and read, why would you want to stop any of the debates and rants? Whether or not Nokia pays attention, knowing that this is the Maemo community's forum, is just as much an important point as anything else that goes on here. If they never bother to read and consider the things said in the forums says just as much about what they think of the community itself. This probably shouldn't be the ONLY barometric to customers and developers, but it should speak volumes.

I thought I was relentlessly pointing out that the community and customers should be supported better by Nokia. You're a terrible mind reader.

I'm clearly pointing out that Nokia would be much better served by getting OUT of the operating system, letting the community handle that and let it flourish on its own and get back to the business of crusading for more open-source friendly hardware and providing developers with what they want so that customers can get what they want. If pointing out these issues drives developers away, it might be for a good reason. In an analogy, you can till and plant your seeds--but you're very unlikely to get a good harvest unless you nurture what you've planted.

What's with all those Fixed in Fremantle and WONTFIXES and other various bugs that I'm still living with? Know any Maemo developers that can fix it outside of Nokia? (Hell, even INSIDE Nokia?) How do you suggest anything will get fixed on my device by bringing on developers while the OS is riddled with closed dependencies and drivers?

So, I'm here because I wanted to be able to wait out two years and several Nokia purchases to tell you I predicted how it would go badly? Uhhh. heh. No. Like I said, you're awful at this mind reading games. That's alright, most people aren't. Neither am I. So, what are you doing here? Trying to attract developers? How are you doing it? How's it going so far?

I'm there. I've read stuff and I've maybe commented once on something. I just not much to say yet. It's not like there's anything for me to try on my N800. I'm cynical about it right now, but I have a small sliver of hope for it yet and I'm hesitant to complain about anything if I can't even use it. Dead or not, where else would you recommend I hang around if I'm on an N800 running Maemo, other than maemo.org--At least until I see MeeGo running on it (or another device I might want).

You've clearly not followed my comments enough to read that although I think my Motorola Droid is an EXCELLENT phone, the N800 (and even N900) are far more suitable little computers. It's shameful that Nokia took an excellent, relatively rare market that they pioneered and ruined it. Pointing that out isn't the same as telling developers to stay away. It IS pointing out the shortcomings--something that Nokia and Maemo could fix. Complaining to Nokia has done very little and Maemo is tied to Nokia's devices if you intend to run the OS in any meaningful way.

Why are you taking it so personally that people have complaints about this platform? And why are you insisting that they should withhold pointing out their experiences with using Maemo on Nokia hardware?