First, and with all due respect, I have to ask if you can speak for NeoPwn.

My doubt comes from the clear inconsistencies between

and some of yours postings, for example:

Anyway, considering all the posted missinformation about the project I supposse inconsistencies are very reasonable. So, if you can, why don't you just explain what sort of support you guys need? Porting apps? Great, which ones are left to do? Integration of the tools? GUIs?... What?

I have only read about a "proper installer", ok, that's something I (and I am sure many others too) could help with. There's not much information about the current real state of the project, but from what I can supposse what you would need is an installer of the image file that also carries some smart configuration and integration with the underlaying maemo OS, isn't it? There must be some conmplexities for sure, or otherwise It would be a simple matter of a couple hours of good old shell scripting.

But if you don't tell, if you don't even tell that there's some help needed/welcomed how do you expect anything to come?

And no, its not the same as expecting something that has been ANNOUNCED/PROMISED, but unlike others I don't think NeoPwn owes anyone ANYTHING.

If I had came here announcing the same, without giving any proof, everybody would have just laugh and call it Vaporware (or worse), and nothing else had happenned.

But when someone who has a known credibility does, people have a natural tendency to trust because that someone is risking that credibility... so it must be true.

In the end, its just credibility lost, but again nothing else owed.

And here is where the real nonsense is... All this was a predecible sequence of events in which NeoPwn had nothing to gain.

And the excuses given add to that nonsense because it just doesn't make sense with the previous sequence of events (complaining about unrequested support, long undetermined new deadline when the previous one was announced very shortly before defaulting, keep on the line of NOT REQUESTING nor giving the POSSIBILITY to support the project in any specific way, etc.... just excuses and complaints...).

When you keep working on a project for several months, and you announce that it is almost finished for beta testing and give a deadline in just a couple of weeks, and also keep saying everything is going perfect during that time, don't come the "big day" and make up a bunch of absurdities you should already have noticed LOOOOOOONG time ago if these were the true reasons.

Also, it is not very wise to blame others absolutely unaware of the behind the scenes troubles for your fault.

I am sorry if in the 20 days I have had my N900 I haven't been able to offer anything useful... I don't even know if I ever will, in spite of my intentions. Anyway, I haven't announced/promised anything either, with or without INTENTIONALLY creating any great expectations at all.

Now, I supposse I should feel bad myself for just expressing my surprise and dissapoinment for something I took for granted. And no, it's not NeoPwn project itself, it was mainly the big announcement about packet injection on n900 had been achieved.

And now, after all this nonsense I have my concerns mostly about that point.

From your postings it seems that you have been closely involved somehow with NeoPwn project, and also that at this time you feel that all the bunch of beggers don't deserve it.

Fair to me... But I have just one question: Have you PERSONALLY confirmed the existance of a properly working packet injection driver for wl1251 on N900?

I don't request ANY proofs, a simple answer from you would suffice to me.

Why? Because apart from radically differing with you in my opinion about all this matter, I have to say that some of your posts and blog entries have been very ilustrating to me and for that I have to give you my thanks and credibility.