I had always thought that one (the only?) point in having a 'Council' w/in a community that is so tied to a commercial entity is to have that Council be the liaison between the community and the corporation. Reading here http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council it does state that "The Council's mission is to "represent the Maemo community's best interests to Nokia". So when you, as you have repeatedly done in this thread, *** what WE have done to 'fix things' I'd like to think that one answer is that 'we' bring up issues w/in the community forum and, hopefully, the 'Council' then realize these issues and brings them to Nokia's attention. [Rant On] I have however said in the past that I find the Council to be powerless, unstructured, incompetent and ineffective - and now, months later that SUBJECTIVE sentiment still stands. I don't recall ever seeing a project plan with actual dates for anything the Council 'resides' over - or have listed as 'Hot Topics'. Nothing seems to get resolved and issues are either completely ignored or just sits in limbo for a year until it fades. If anything I would vote for the 'Council' to be abolished next term as I bet no one would be able to tell the difference a year later. It would however, I'm sure, be traumatic for some people to not have that dinky-toy title associated with them so there would be some resistance. [/Rant Off]