Okay you two let's all calm down and work this out ... this is all about consensus building. We need to reach a point of agreeing as to what to do as a community, because if the council is not in touch nor does not know what it's community members are thinking, than it cannot effectively represent them.

* Where do we stand on Nokia and the N900 support as a community?

* Where do we as a community stand on bug issues that are WONTFIX?

... etc, we have to ask these questions and a consensus must be reached. I hate polls and surveys, but we have to know what people hear are thinking to make a community driven decision. I think a large segment right now is becoming more agitated at Nokia ... but it does not make them the majority. We have to arrange new tactics in getting the message out and a conflict in this PR sensitive time is the best approach ... we are not happy so we air our grievance to whomever would listen.

Maybe to like minded folks it is time as we have overstayed the safe bastion of Nokia waters called this forum and go to a more socially aware forum that addresses our needs ( if we start fire here, they will most certainly close this place down ).

But we can't try the same tired tactics to get improvements, we need to be more forceful and know exactly what we want as an outcome (need to reach a consensus). For me I want see Nokia reverse the N900 Meego support decision. If we can forcefully push our agenda than this will solve all the other issues regarding Flash and Bugs.