maemo.org - Talk - View Single Post - Would you miss the Council if it was gone?

	silvermountain	2010-08-11 , 05:14
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Originally Posted by Texrat

Thank you for your input, and I won't go into the quibbles.

But I do want to touch on something Jaffa said in another thread:

Did anyone complain when previous councils worked to get community members sponsored to previous summits?

Not knowing which are your comments and what are Jaffa's I'll just assume they are all yours.

a) No, why would anyone complain about that? Is it just made into a question to be argumentative? (

) I've actually thought the Summits seemed nice for the people that have the skills to appreciate them and/or being productive there.

Originally Posted by Texrat

Did anyone complain when council members worked to get devices into the hands of developers?

I guess it was just poorly communicated what the Council's efforts were in that and that it wasn't just Nokia looking for free testers.

Originally Posted by Texrat

Do you think the people I picked to go to Santa Clara (at Nokia's request) a while back complained? Should the community have complained?

I don't know. What was the outcome/deliverables of that? If you could point me to the Council write-up of what was accomplished I'll just read that.

Originally Posted by Texrat

Those were success stories, guys. And I can find several for every single allegation of council ineffectiveness, incompetence, etc.

So by that you are saying that the Council in its current state and recent accomplishments is effective and competent?

Originally Posted by Texrat

But some here continue to confuse undesired or failed results with inactivity by the council. Sorry, but that's just nuts. It's not even ineffectivity or incompetence.

Lack of communication, inability to show a structured, readable lists of tasks with owners and due dates, inability to being able to convey to the community what is being worked on and how, lacking status updates on open issues/tasks, poor transparency into how issues are being selected and resolved, poor results in getting Nokia's attention to issues brought to their tables (an issue you brought up yourself), having a very low recognition w/in the Community about what the "Council" is and what it is doing, etc - is to me not very confusing when I choose to use words such as "Inefficient" and "Incompetent".

Originally Posted by Texrat

It's just a damned shame more of that input is occurring tonight than has in the entire year up to now. And no, that is not entirely the fault of the council. The community has ongoing obligations, too. "Fire and forget" should not be a mode of voting.

I also believe that writing "And no, that is not entirely the fault of the council" - instead of "And yes, that is in part the fault of the council" is a subtle yet telling difference in how defensive one is.

And since you wrote "SOMEone has to step up and assume leadership" - with that comes the role of managing expectations from the community, gathering and prioritizing issues/tasks, being active in communicating status on said issues and, maybe most importantly in this type of community, have a full transparency on who is driving what, what is happening and how work is being done.

Is the "Council" ready to do that or is it just a vehicle to send people to summits and get people devices early?

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