I appreciate what Texrat, Jaffa and the council members (don't remember the full five) are trying to do.

But in all seriousness if the councils actions havent produced much results (lets face it - most here dont even know a council exists cause theres nothing to show for it), then the question of the councils effectiveness is valid. And this is not to say you guys are not trying. But if the repeated efforts produce very little to no results than is obvious the council's work is ineffective (it may be because Nokia themselves dont care about feedback from the community via the council).

Rather then people blaming and finger pointing at the council - cause I dont think its the ineffectiveness of the council members individually, rather a shortcoming of this setup itself - how about the council memebers evaluate your effectiveness yourselves in all earnest, and if you deem like the majority here that not much HAS been achived and not much CAN be achieved vis-a-vis the interactions with Nokia, the council reasigns en-masse.

I think Nokia is the entitiy stonewalling the community efforts now so a mass resignation will give a much stronger united message to Nokia that this ineffectual council setup isnt working and hence its pointless.

And if you think that working from within is still worth the effort, then make such efforts and the results more transparent so its not questioned in the first place. Eiither ways make a change in this slatemated process as I see it.