I read those threads, unless I did not get something, they were mostly about a dual boot. but to hack a good working fedora chroot I did not find much. like I said I did get it working but with no yum/rpm and tons of missing file/folder messages after an umount (I had to mount with qumount but unmount with umount) it did not really seem functinal to me. oh well easy debian is great I'll try not to be greedy and be happy without a fedora counterpart. sigh..