I only want to address the former vis-a-vis this community. No offense at all to Quim, but IF the council's role expanded, we would need engagement not just from community channels but technical, logistic, etc. The community wants these products to succeed, in general, and there's pent up desire to do help. I personally want to help Nokia improve its customer engagement. I have the necessary knowledge and experience. And for a while I've been in the right place. Now, if other council members disagree and/or Nokia refuses then so be it. It's soon to be moot for me anyway...