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Originally Posted by AlMehdi View Post
None of those run Maemo..
Or, to look at it another way, NOTHING else can run Maemo for lack of openness in Maemo. We can only hope MeeGo will not fall into this pit.

Originally Posted by AlMehdi View Post
And none of those are as configurable as the n900.
I have to disagree there. They're AS configurable, if not more. Let's not forget that Android has been, ironically, more open-sourced than Maemo 5. Certainly, it's been altered and hacked a whole lot more, from the looks of the ROM scene around Android versus development on the N900. Where's all the crazy cool apps that work with that glorious operating system? Not on Maemo 5, it appears. Hell--you have a hard time just getting good MAPPING software, nevermind anything else. But digressing back to "configurable": Take a look around at the modding scene and then try again.

Originally Posted by AlMehdi View Post
Sure better devices for the masses but not as powerful as the n900. Sure the n900 got places where it lacks and when those are covered i will switch... but i fear it will take time until that is met.
You're clearly behind the curve and haven't really been around much. There are a plethora of already much-more capable and powerful handheld devices. Does your N900 have HDMI out? Does your N900 have wifi-n or at least upgradable to it? Does your N900 have strong CDMA/EVDO grade encryption to keep your phone calls and Internet private? Do you even have a CHOICE in that? How many different models of Maemo 5 devices can you purchase at this time? Are any of them available in a larger tablet form?

Mind you--if you're just comparing to iPhones, you might have something of a point. I wasn't. FUD works both ways, lad.

Originally Posted by AlMehdi View Post
Are they capable to run a full fledged desktop OS like Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora as good as the n900? How long do they hold the battery? Can you overclock them as easy?
Full fledged desktop OS like Debian? Yes. At least, in the way you mean it--as full-fledged at the N900 has it, yes. There are many, and even Android tablets can run both at the same time the way N900 can run EasyDebian and Maemo at the same time.

Battery time varies from device to device. My Motorola Droid has some of the best time for a smartphone around. That, and it's extreme durability, were the two reasons why I decided on getting it despite the even faster and more powerful choices around. Nice thing about Maemo's competitors is that there are so gosh darned MANY of them that you're BOUND to find some variation that hits on something you particularly favored.

Overclocking on every one of Maemo's competitor's devices is not only possible, but quite easy and very common--well beyond the 1GHz range. I could technically overclock my Motorola Droid to around 1.2GHz, but I'm a bit too paranoid for that and I like my long battery life.. so I only overclocked up to 800MHz for now.

Originally Posted by AlMehdi View Post
But true.. this is not a black and white opinion.. In my mind there is no better device out there yet.
No, really. Get out more--or at least explore the options a bit so you have a more rounded opinion. Just saying--you can't fight EVERYTHING off as FUD, otherwise you become the FUDster.

Originally Posted by TiagoTiago View Post
Think different :P
DifferentLY. The correct grammar is "Think Differently." You're as bad as the marketing people, if you keep repeating it. Especially if that's all you're going to say about it.

Originally Posted by kwtm View Post
can you do this with any other geekphone? If so, I'd be interested:
  1. - view and edit text files, in their original format. This is my main use for the N900: I look up medical information contained in text files that will replace cumbersome medical textbooks. I run vim and search for keywords in text files over 10 MB in size (yes, 10 MB of text; we're not talking a 10 MB PDF or a 10 MB JPEG file which contains much less useful info). Previously I used the Palm Treo/HandEra/TRGpro which could edit text files but you'd have to convert it to/from the Palm text format, which is still not too bad...
  2. - replace the user interface with a modified version (modified Linux kernel, modified Hildon interface). Bonus points if the modified version is open source so you can trust/modify it.
  3. - use Python with libraries that let you hook up to the DBUS interface so you can control other applications. (Other systems might require use of C/C++, which might be okay for others but I find Python much easier to learn and keep up with.)
  4. - backup to my home server via online Internet access, so I can do a backup while I'm taking a walk in the park, and feel secure knowing that I have a backup copy of the priceless video I just took of my kid.
  5. - do shell scripting. Bonus points if it's (pretty much) the same Linux shell that you're already used to using on your desktop.
1. Yes. If you use a plain old text editor (Android, iPhone, PalmOS, etc) they ALLLLLLL can edit/view raw text files. (i.e. TxtPad in Android) Almost all of these text editors can also do simple search/replace as well.

2. Yes. At least, I know Android can. There's at least half a dozen Launcher (the Google Experience app launcher program) replacements you can choose from... some 2D, some 3D, one particularly popular one even looks a lot like HTC's HTC Experience program launcher. As far as what I've read, yes--they're completely open-source.

3. Yes. You can use Python to communicate with other apps (it's not called a DBUS interface). Generally, at least in Android, people usually write their programs in a Java-like language, but you CAN install Python, Perl, BASH and other languages on Android using the Android Scripting Environment (ASE).

4. God, yes. Every platform has those in spades. Any particular protocols you would like me to find an application to support in Android?

5. Yes and no. You could do BASH using the ASE I mentioned above. Would seem the same. Or, if you're rooted, you can install and run BusyBox and it's pretty much exactly the same Linux shell scripting in BASH at the Linux kernel. ASE seems much more mature than BusyBox scripting, though.

Originally Posted by kwtm View Post
These are things that are unique to the N900 that made me buy my third one even after I found the first two defective..
That smells like FUD against anything except N900. If you genuinely believe what you said above, it's very unfortunate. You should really get your hands on something else for a few days or at least really read up on them before you claim these things as unique to one platform.
 

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