Thread: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
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2010-08-23 , 16:12
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Originally Posted by chaoscreater View Post
I never said anything about the USB part.......you said that yourself. I was talking about just the iPhone, not the N900. Quotes from you:



The thing is, N900 is open source and is encouraged to hack or do whatever you want to it. Sure there is still a few limitations as to how far you can access the system but it's generally open, hell they provided wiki documents on how to overclock, change the voltages etc......

So ya, warranty is all good in this case, which is what's cool about the N900 coz of its open source.



As to answer your questions, while those can be true, but it's not worth their time and effort. I've hacked many devices before, ranging from:

Wii, PS2, PS3, XBOX360, PSP, Ipod Touch, Windows Mobile, UIQ3, Android, DS.

And every one of those scenes are still alive and growing strong. Developers will never win this war against hackers, no matter how you look at it. There're always people out there doing the impossible, and making this awesome for pirates like us.


It's not like this matters anymore anyway, Apple lost the lawsuit to fight against jailbreaking. We win. What more can you say?



And really, i'd like to hear exactly what Apple can do, or what you would do. Block access from iTunes?? No problem, there're other programs and far better ones that does the same thing as iTunes.

Block the App Store?? LOL? U do realize warez forums contain over 100GB+ worth of apps/games that you can download?? You don't even need iTunes to sync the apps/games, you can download straight onto your iPhone and install it from there.

I'm not posting any website or trying to advertise here so i hope i'm not breaking any rules, but just to make a point, Google: AppTrackr. That site keeps up to date with almost every app you can get from the App Store.

Then, we still have the Cydia store. As well as over 100+ repos/warez forums to back this up.


Really, you just can't fight piracy, no matter what field or area you look at. Piracy is what's killing the developers, i admit. I do support them though as i still buy worth-buying games or apps or whatever. But the truth is, you can never fight or win against it.

This applies to every other platform like the PSP or DS or whatever. Same thing. They all tried, but failed.


Lastly, what i mean by being "PRO" in the scene is simply keeping up to date. It's a matter of simply reading announcement topics on what firmwares not to install etc etc. Ur exaggerating too much by saying u have to join IRC channel. I have never used it in my life and there's no need for it. It's as simple as logging into Maemo.org and keep up to date with the latest posts or news, and learn that e.g. PR 1.3 firmware will come soon.


Besides, Cydia also shows you on the front page whether you can update to a certain firmware or not.


Hell, it's a lot easier to jailbreak than doing some of the tweaks on the N900 such as overclocking. Now days, you can jailbreak with just an internet connection, no computers required.

People have been going to the Apple store to jailbreak the iPhones that were on display (including the iPhone 4s). So ya, the process is rather ridiculously fast and simple, just literally touch a button and you're done.
Err take the time to re-read my post. And try to think of things other than the iPhone (particularly with the warranty case)

1) You said who cares about warranties. I said consumers care, and listed reasons why consumers may care (for any device). Jailbreaking/rooting (for Android devices) voids these warranties.

2) Apple did not lose the war against jailbreaking. You misunderstood the court ruling (which I clearly explained in my post). The only thing they lost was the ability to say is jailbreaking is a violation of the DMCA and to sue you because of it (breaking DRM basically). That doesn't stop them from blocking you, nor does it stop them from suing you for a violation of the EULA (the end user license agreement you agree too).

3) iTunes is just one of the many attack vectors Apple can choose to use. They can bake their security functionality into wherever they want on the device. Check their recent patent filing on this. Heck they could decide to make every application in the app store add "mysterious functionality" so any app you use, pirate, or whatever could call home to Apple with a check. I can think of ways to combat this, but I can also think of ways Apple could combat the hacks too. The point is, they can make it difficult enough for users that it isn't worth the time to jailbreak or follow the jailbreaking scene. Especially if the warranty is at stake (one phone call home would mark the device as jailbroken and void the warranty for good).


4) I'm one of those proponents of hackers can't be stopped (having seen it many times on both ends) But you can make life hard for those (either through increases in areas of checks, or through legal paper) who are doing the hacking. And I'm not talking about the people who read the guide and follow the instructions. I mean the people who are actually responsible for working on the jailbreaking hacks. Most legal paper will scare away people. Combined with increasing the number of checks, there will be a point where they miss one check, and bam everyone who updated thinking they were safe have now voided their warranty.

As I said, Apple has been nice so far. There's nothing stopping them for doing more to make life difficult for the jailbreaking community if they want to. And current indications seem that they will be taking these steps.

Now does this stop the jailbreaking scene? Not really, it'll always persist. But whether it will be worth it to the average person? That's what Apple is going after.

Originally Posted by gixx View Post
What good point of iPhone without Jailbreak over N900!? Thanks
The iPhone is more usable (from a comfort and ease of usability POV).
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