Of course it was immature, I think Faheem was all of 14 years old when he first came to this place. However the irony is in the product and not in the personality. And his production certainly wasn't immature. It was outstanding and topped by only one other member.

He walked the walk as far as I'm concerned and only Mikko can talk the talk as far as his community contribution is concerned.

It is also ironic how we measured that production with "Karma". I don't know how he was treated on IRC or in the mailing lists, I left that sausage fest long ago. Besides it seemed to be dominated by talkers instead of doers anyway.

I spent weeks it seems downloading community mailing list digests for instance where only 1 or 2 people were dominating those lists nagging for, and then crying about, the travel accommodations Nokia was providing for them.

We often hear about the signal to noise ratio on the forums... well at least it ain't as linear. On the forums you can instantly change the station to another more productive thread.

In the other venues you often have to endure long winded, sanctimonious dissertations and side discussions about god knows what in order to extract a nugget of information. If your question doesn't follow that discussions protocol (often derived from some episode of a 35 year old cult, sci-fi TV show ) or your answer doesn't jibe with the popular consensus look out, that band wagon will come around and everyone on it will jump off on to your head.

The karmic irony is that a lot of negative energy must have come from those places in order to overcome the positive energy qwerty12's past contributions produced.

Oh well... life goes on.