I agree with you, but on the other hand I also believe that to make geeks happy you have to make the mass market happy. We're not entirely different, we're a superset. The most frequent complaints on this very site are about stuff that s40 does better. And you could've found out about that exactly by listening to the mass market. So even if I'm restating what you're saying, I think we need to be more precise and say that a winning product satisfies *all* the needs of the geeks, not just the *geeky* needs of the geeks. When I read about focusing on geeks, I think about things like the terminal application, but that's only half of the picture.