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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
But there's nothing stopping you from going from 9.04 to 10.10 on those aforesaid devices. But... that's the nature of a true PC. I can upgrade because there's an upgrade that's put out that's universally going to fit my device. Whereas Maemo to MeeGo seem to be one of those situations where the upgrade path, despite being on the N900 will not get the packaged (read: closed) bits due to licensing. That would be like Ubuntu not getting a portion of the OS because of some licensing or 3rd party issue. Looks flawed to me.
Well hold on there. Ubuntu doesn't actually do any support for "hardware" at all. If you have an Nvidia or ATI video card you get extremely shatty 3D unless you get their respective closed source drivers.

That is no different at all between MeeGo on the N900 requiring certain closed source drivers for the components. Currently those drivers are available and active development is done with MeeGo on the N900. There is also a movement, if I recall Stskeeps right, to make those closed components freely distributable. That's not as good as open source, but it's actually better than Ubuntu on my desktop because MeeGo itself can release the Nokia blobs with the OS without relying on Nokia. Ubuntu cannot distribute Nvidia or ATI drivers with their release.

Granted, this hasn't happened yet and is wishful thinking at current time, but it's at least at the same playing field as ATI contributing code to the the open source drivers while still maintaining their closed source counterpart.

But that's the difference between a laptop, netbook and a phone. I can upgrade the first two on my own when an update is made available. For a phone (and I'm currently waiting on Samsung to get Froyo out for my Captivate) I have to wait until the vendor comes out with an upgrade; if they will do so.

I hate that difference.
I agree somewhat. As we both covered earlier, upgrading a laptop is a *****. Technically, if you wanted to completely tear the N900 apart along with a captivate or some other phone you could probably make the hardware work together.. nobody in their right mind would do this, but then - the vast majority of people don't bother upgrading the hardware on their laptops either.

Also, I was running pieces of 2.0 on my G1 long before the first 2.0 device hit market.. You don't need to wait for anybody..


Ubuntu doesn't make hardware, just the OS. And they cover a range of drivers that include multiple devices. Maemo was only for the N900. MeeGo is being developed on the N900. It won't come as a consumer level upgrade like my jump from a prior version of Ubuntu to the latest version (which rocks, btw). By "official" support, I mean that I do not lose any functionality, nor will things be pulled out.
Ubuntu has had multiple releases, MeeGo not yet one. Once you get MeeGo on there there likely will be pointy clicky upgrade ability (or at least, one would hope.) After all, this is all linux - if Ubuntu can do it so can MeeGo. Maemo is dead much like Windows 95 is dead. If you have an old machine with 95 on it, or NT, or 2000.. and you want to put Vista or 2008 on it - You have to reload. Just like your N900 with MeeGo.

Can't say that about MeeGo on the N900. It's going to be a lacking experience since it's not going to be a one-for-one upgrade. If it is, news to me. If it isn't... I'm right.
That entirely depends on your definition of "one-for-one". Remember, most things on the N900 are third party. As long as MeeGo provides us a working, functioning, user interface with some basic utilities such as a launcher and a way to add applications via a manager - everything else comes in the form of a third-party software release.

Again.. exactly like any other Linux distribution.

So? Nokia is bigger than Ubuntu. Userbase is important, but shouldn't their ability to support people that just got the device - India, Hong Kong for instance - should be paramount.
But again.. Ubuntu itself I don't believe really supports people (is there an "Ubuntu" phone number where you get 24 hour support for whatever system you're running? If there is, it's news to me.) Their forums are the main form of support; which includes some people that work for Ubuntu/Canonical. Well, again, no different here in a forum that supports users with some people from Nokia and more importantly MeeGo.com with some people from Nokia, and Intel.


Nope. We're treating phones as "real computers" when honestly I can: piece together a computer at my own leisure, upgrade a computer OS at my own leisure without depending on my motherboard/CPU/GPU manufacturer and/or change the OS - barring it won't fit or support the pieces I've put into my computer. Just because a phone has computer-like abilities doesn't make it a computer.
Piecing together a Laptop is not easy. Piecing together a phone is not easy (though still possible, albeit the parts are going to be much harder to find and significantly more expensive). Upgrading the OS is already obviously possible on the N900 - MeeGo is installable. Now, we could argue semantics on whether MeeGo is actually an "upgrade" in it's current state.. but I hope you at least see the point here. We could also throw in NitDroid here.

Just because my computer doesn't support the newest printer that just got released, or the latest hardware from a vendor because they don't yet have a Linux driver - doesn't make my computer any less of a computer either.

Just because a man places boobs on his body, it doesn't make him a woman. It just makes him woman-like... sorta.

Ew. Worst analogy ever.
I, for one, think Moobs are awesome!!! (wait.. did I just put that in public? ****..)


Till next time!
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