The iPhone makes the N800 look fat and overweight. The iPod Touch even more so. The N810 with it's keyboard only makes the disparity even more obvious. Apple have been able to design slim and light hardware that is not overly disimilar in specification to that of the N800. Not since the 770 have Nokia achieved this, and I appreciate that Apple achieve some of their slimness and lightness of weight by compromising with a non-replaceable battery but that can only save them a few grams and perhaps a couple of millimetres, not enough to explain the differences between an iPhone and a N800/N810. Nokia don't seem to be investing the time and money in aesthetic or hardware design as far as NITs are concerned - if they are, they're not getting value for money.