Bummer, just tried connecting with O2, not a sniff with either Presence VNC or x11vnc. Never knew about the 'routable IP address' thing and mobile internet access, I supose that's a security thing and therefore makes sense. Still doesn't help me get around the routers that I cannot change port forwarding on due to overcontroling ISPs and there rubbish routers. Learnt something new today, many thanks Rob1n.