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Originally Posted by qgil View Post
Nokia has been quite consistent at telling that it has no interest opening its user experience layer - which includes the Nokia proprietary apps. It's their investment and their decision.

Taking the media player as an example, if you are interested in community engagement then please consider contributing to the MeeGo media player(s) of the Handset UX or established free software projects based on Qt like Amarok. See http://jefferai.org/2010/05/amarok-m...the-beginning/ & http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/...martphone.html
All you said before looks to me like cloud, that on first sight you can see it, but when u try to touch it - you understand it's just an air. you again and again telling about Nokia's contributes in open-source, but i don't think there was any contribution that nokia actually made "for free", there was always profit.

we never get straight answers and only thing i see as opensource is nokia using devs to get free application and involving them in developing, how is it possible that even Ovi suit that is made with qt(if i'm not wrong) is not ported to linux(yes that's the opensource spirit)

i can get unpleasant answers like "yes we don't care about maemo", "we don't want to provide u any flash and adv on maemo5 off site about browsing with flash is lie", "we wouldn't fix bugs: media player, cpu usage, sms bug, music playing after calls" as we don't care... i can get it as straight answers, but not that blah-blah-blah nothing... seriously.

i'm not a dev but i reported as many bugs as i could in different kinds of programs and drivers, but when i report bug here and i get feeling like they even don't believe me and just don't even prove it and when i see no work on it.... well you can keep your media players closed, you can use any exuces and try to stay clean and supporting costumers, but time will show, and now you running from sinking ship(maemo) to meego, leaving all people on board(the captain must leave the last one), next time people wouldn't buy it, and a lot of people wouldn't buy it already. and it's not about geeky phone and small computer and parts, it's all about support. when support is great any phone or other thing would be awesome, because it's the way to get people to trust in you. and till you only promise and you talk about how would be meego awesome(reminds me of maemo talking), android and iphone not waiting for you, even win7 is out, while u even didn't finish maemo.
yes android is not that open adn is not that linux, but support of it, damn i like the phones only cause of support, how nexus1 still gets the first updates and how it's promoted, so every site (facebook, twitter, engadged and so on) and as well every services (maps, translators, music recognizers and many others) wants to have their own official application and not people trying to code it when they have to bypass all difficulties with closed code.

and what we see? we see on one hand all those innovations from nokia labs, cool apps (shazam was contributed by nokia? what about swype?) and we don't get them, it's only blah-blah-blah. and on other hand we see all those bugfixes and patches community sent and got no response/update. cause noone give a damn, as it's not profitable anymore, you already got your money.

motorolla once was one of the greats communication company but with time their phone got shitty and slowly people lost their trust and if not that droid phone with android (where support and demands are coming from google) they would be over by now.

now i trust meego little bit more as intel involved, but still why would i like meego if all i hear is openness and free code, linux and so on, but the truth is that what ? opensource is not about code only, it's about how it's promoted, how the things done, how people are involved and how their opinion is considered. you can use linux for any profit you can(actually u do it that way), but if you don't follow some certain "rules" of open-source - it's not the linux phone, it's phone that "uses" linux.
and all the good i saw in maemo is only apps that were written by users for users, cause that's the linux way — "i need this app and i'll write it, but also i can share with other people, maybe they can find some use of it(fmms e.g.)..

i have more to say, and maybe u can tell me naive and stupid, that i believes in those things, but also i believe that evolution and development is based on community and not one man(one company, or company chiefs). you can't go far away alone - you just wouldn't survive.
 

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