i meant no offence it was just an request to satisfy the curiousity of all the instinctiv fans over here who have been following this thread for a long time v just wanna know what actually happened ...given that they already are leaving it wouldnt do much harm would it (although i desperately want them to stay)...or maybe v could learn something and try to solve it that would prevent others devs from leaving maemo. thats why cheers