The killer is that Apple either hasn't finished its software or has customers with low standards. Just today I was in the Apple sotre looking at iPhone again. If you go to Apples own iPhone web site it can't even handle that page fully. Things that should be links don't work, it won't even play Apples own videos and of course flash doesn't work. Granted the browser is probably better than 90% of the other Cell/PDA browsers out there. Still I expect better. Dave