thanks to all who have responded. your help is very welcome and i thank you unreputtedly for it, but the type of phone im looking for is similar to a neo 808i. its a japanese/chinese phone that measures 65 x 40 x 13mm and weighs less than 90 grams here is a link but i cant find anyway of shipping to the uk unless i wanna order over 10-100 in gross. http://www.mphone.co.uk/toshiba/808i.html. not definetive with this phone decision but something along the lines of that would be great. ps tghanks for the phone ideas allready, they are v. small but nowere near the sort of size i was thinking off. cheers again though all