hahahaa I knew you'd say that... sorry P to be fair I thought it might be useful to others as well! OK another thing to do is in opt/usr/share/themes/ANY THEME/gtk-2.0 Look for the gtkrc.cache files, I'd delete any you see in any gtk-2.0 folder. I've been told the 1.0-3 version is definitely a-ok by some testers far, far more able than myself but please keep me posted, you are someone I'm going to go out my way to make this work for. Kind Regards, D4rK