Thread: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
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wmarone is offline wmarone
2010-12-21 , 16:59
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Originally Posted by ndi View Post
I have no idea why you think that dealing with MS would get you dragged and shot. MS is not going to tell Nokia how to make phones, if they do they both lose. What do you base your "Windows powered by Nokia" premise?
They won't tell them how to make the phone, but they'll tell them (like they told Samsung, Dell, Acer, and every WP7 licensee) exactly what hardware to use at the most basic level.

Nokia has the upper hand in designing hardware and exterior design, it would be a bad move to take that away. Not that Nokia still designs high-end phones, they are all slabs. N9 is ugly like ME. Oh well, could be temporary.
Opinion.

* Nokia is going to partner with MS not surrender. Any basis for that conclusions other than dragons in the dark?
Why go with WP7 when doing so would marginalize all of your other work, especially one you're developing from the ground up? The same would happen if they went with Android. The US press would especially hype that, while I suspect that they will deliberately be mum if Nokia releases a MeeGo based device.

* Just because MS marketing decided to release unfinished products to keep the 3 year release cycle doesn't mean they can't code.
I didn't say anything about their ability to code.

Vista is W7 alpha, forked for markting. You don't like it, don't get it.
Persistent poor behavior in the market deserves punishment, not reward.

Disinterested? You mean the consumer that would have the choice between Windows and loads of apps and a good development platform and the consumer who would rather have a preferred OS with big holes.
I mean the ones who don't care about open source. You know, the reason that more than a few people stick around here and try to do things while everyone else just buys a new device that's locked down, Like Good Consumers Do. Or does my not choosing an iOS device mean I'm an idiot? Is that what you are trying to imply?

Yes, yes, the OS is fine, it's the apps that suck. So what? It's not like they aren't a package deal.
They aren't a package deal, if they were you wouldn't be charged for them.

In fact, businesses have the best software and for them available is closed. Plus, on a close OS you get both.
Rephrase this, it's confusing.

Still, saying that Windows is Apple basically is not only narrow sighted, but ignores many figures. Apple may be big in mobile now, because market is very young and they have a polished OS. It's way too soon to tell.
My point was that WP7 == iOS, in that they adopted all of the misfeatures that drove me away from iOS. And frankly, I wouldn't give a damn about WP7 if it wasn't MS trying to be Apple-style control freaks. I wouldn't use it, but I also wouldn't bash it.

If anything, the PC market is where this is going. Plus, as soon as X86 is available in poket form I'm out of this transitional mess.
I hope this isn't where the PC market is going. I'd hate to have to buy my PC from my ISP, who preload it with an OS that treats me like the enemy.

And "transitional mess"? Nah, I quite like having the mobile space run on an architecture that isn't supplied entirely by a single vendor.

Sorry to be blunt, but that sounds like it came from a person who hasn't really tried the alternatives.
Ironically, Microsoft is a very anti-alternative corporation. I'm talking about Microsoft's actions in the PC industry as a whole over the last 14 years. The abuse of their monopoly, and conviction. The five years where IE6 sat stagnant, while alternatives were slowly built up and had to harass people into not making "Requires IE6" pages. And the piles of companies run out of business as a result of their attempting to deal with Microsoft in a fair manner (read up on "Stinger" and Microsoft's first foray into the mobile space.)

Without any experience of alternatives, without true and extensive research, "OMG MS is going to eat our phones with their logos" is just FUD.
I have no interest in "experiencing" an OS that explicitly treats me both like an idiot and like an enemy. At least not for longer than is required to get an idea of how it works on the user interaction level. Same reason I don't own an iPhone (or any iOS device) but respect the UI.

Oh and, "in the past 14 years" Maemo has abandoned every single edition of their OS and broke backwards compatibility.
Generally in the Linux world, backwards compatibility isn't a problem. But you toss proprietary software in the mix and life gets hard. Never mind that WP7 won't run any prior windows mobile software.

Might I add it's the only OS on this list that did that. Windows can still run apps from 14 years ago, no recompile. In fact, it can run just about anything ever written for Windows, plus a few old ones for OS/2.
And that's been both a huge albatross around Microsoft's neck as well as the core reason Windows is still the huge monopoly that it is.
Last edited by wmarone; 2010-12-21 at 17:02.
 

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