Probably too little too late. Whilst Samsung and SE had been flaunting their promiscuity by flirting with MS, Nokia had been making a lot of extras apps that they bundle with their S60vX phones. For me at least these bundled apps (and other free apps that you can download nokialabs) makes the difference between choosing a Nokia Symbian and some other Symbian phone. And whilst they may have had nice hardware both the SE Satio and the Samsung i8910 HD had "issues" which prevented them from working to their full potential. By the time some of these issues were resolved the market had moved on.